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And I don't think he wanted to quit, but he felt embarrassed about staying there. And everybody was asking: “Well, when is Derek going to leave?” just because all the other presidents did.

One day we had a Corporation meeting, luncheon, and he was away. So in his absence we addressed the issue of the presidency, and we all agreed--somewhat led by me--that the most important thing that the Corporation could do right now is to convince Derek to stay another five years or so. In fact, we were thinking in terms of twenty years in all.

Twenty years total.

Yes. So we told him. You know, “We don't want to get involved in any searches for a new president for quite a long time.” And he sort of, he demurred, and we finally figured out that it really came down to the fact that he was embarrassed about saying “well, I'm going to stay.” So Bob Stone, one of the Corporation, said: “We've got to figure out how he can announce this.” Finally he came up with an idea. He said: “You know, Derek has never had a sabbatical. He's never taken a sabbatical. Everybody else takes sabbaticals. We've got to convince Derek to take a sabbatical, because then he just announces that he takes a sabbatical, and obviously, if he takes a sabbatical, it means that he's coming back.” [laughter]. So that's how it was worked. And he's now on sabbatical.

What's the--you've observed him quite closely--