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Yes.

-for a while now. What is the inner man? You know, what does he stand for, do you think?

I'm not sure that I understand the question.

What is the fabric of this man, you know, the moral fiber. What is he made of?

He's an enormously moral, ethical man, and he worries all the time about ethics within the university. We had one dinner a while ago, a while back, with the deans, all the deans, at which the entire evening was devoted to discussing the ethical issues. Then he wrote a most perceptive letter to them, just before he left, asking them to think about various aspects of ethics, and how you could improve the ethical content of academic life, academic teaching, and academic--everything.

You know, it's very easy to slip from the straight and narrow even in the academic world. You hear about this in the occasional great scientific discoveries which turn out to be fakes. Professors are hungry for money; earn a lot of money on the outside. Are they earning it the right way or not? Does it affect them? What is it, how can you teach ethics? Very difficult. He's been a great backer of getting students involved in pro bono activities, service activities: taking care of the poor and the homeless, kids, teaching