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fellow. There were a couple of them who came from the cannery districts who were picturesque and stood up. I can't remember their names. There were a great many people who had marked personal characteristics, marked individuality and who ired their minds very freely and had independent reactions of all sorts. I thought of them as giants only in contrast to Martin Glynn, who was not a giant.

Al Smith was certainly one of the giants, but he was one of the younger men. Smith's personal characteristics, his individuality, and Wagner's too, hadn't become conspicuous. Wagner and Foley, although both men of great ability and men who went far in the end, looked more like everybody else. They dressed correctly. They dressed quietly. They kind of toned themselves down. There were no bizarre effects like Frawley, or bizarre manners. Nor were there any of these marked characteristics that “Mr. Republican” had. He always wore the morning coat and the striped trousers. There was none of the quaint, drawling, Harvey Hinman business. The younger crowd had begun to be like everybody.

Franklin Roosevelt stood out, of course, he wasn't there long during this period. It was rather a brief visit that he made to that part of the government. He had these marked individual qualities of being very tall, lean, good looking and correct. You knew that he was a correctly brought





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