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of Roosevelt as a giant, but he was certainly an interesting young man.

Smith and Wagner didn't stand out because they were too young. They were just kind of beginners. They were just coming along. Smith's personal characteristics began to show up a little later. The higher he went in the political scale, the more you noticed his personality, the eccentric about him, and the amusing things about it, the endearing things about him and the great, great virtues - such virtues for a politician. He had absolute truthfulness and total personal integrity based upon a set of principles which he accepted. The fact that Charlie Murphy said, “We've got to keep Al honest because we can use him if he's honest,” I don't think was what kept Al honest, although certainly it was true that temptation was never put in his way. Murphy saw to that and Al knew that. At least he knew later that he was being groomed for high things. He didn't know just what, but he was going to go up.

He had a conviction and he had an attachment to certain principles - the truth, not misrepresenting, not taking any shakedowns, not tolerating dishonorable arrangements, not taking any money from anybody. He was as bad as my grandmother in saying, “I don't like to be under obligations.” I never