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was just beginning to be understood that you shouldn't give them this and you must gibe them that. Sure they didn't have spinach and mashed carrots, but neither did anybody else's children, except those who were in a few institutions that were under the control of Kingsbury, where he introduced the modern diet, more or less against the protests of the people who had been running it. But they didn't have the Roman Church to support them. That was the real point.

At any rate, I think it was too bad, although it was a shock. It was lesson to the Roman Church as to the conduct of their institutions. They certainly learned the lesson and proceeded. There are no better reformers of institutions for children and others than those have been since they got the idea of what the modern thing is.

I must say that the coming of Patrick Archbishop Hayes was a great blessing, because there you got a humane and modern man and a naturally born mediator. Then you got him taking on Father Keenan. I think Father Keenan before he was ordained as a priest, or before he had realized his vocation, had gone to the then infant New York School of Social Work; then he realized his vocation and became a trained priest. But he was Jesuit. At any rate, he went back and completed his schooling, graduating from the New