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I'm pretty sure that the section on unemployment insurance begins by saying, “After having made a thorough study we are opposed to the dole.” Then we go on and say, “Something constructive has to be done, however, for the relief of persons who are unemployed, either as relief, or because such a heavy burden comes on the public funds if one attempts to handle this by relief, it would appear wise to have previous provision made while work and business are good for a fund which can be utilized for partial payments when unemployed.”

That's the way it went down in Franklin Roosevelt's memory and mind. We were all opposed to the dole and so was he. To manufacturers who came in to see him on this he would say, “I'm opposed to the dole as much as you are.” Whether their minds ever met as to what the dole was I don't know.

At any rate, Hopkins was in on some of this education of the to be President. I wasn't only educating the Governor with regard to unemployment insurance, but with regard to the reasonableness of a good many of these things that we were doing and because I thought he needed to know, among other things, about what manufacturing is like and how it's operated. Of course, in his condition he couldn't go through factories, but they could be described to him. The industrial process could be described to him. I developed a good deal of facility in describing the industrial process to him. In