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Ed Flynn to tell Hamilton to resign, but anyhow Hamilton resigned promptly. So the great arrangement was that it was to be brought about through the Moreland Act Commissioner and that Hamilton should retire.

I think we thought that Rogers was a little slow. I think we thought that he might have gotten around to his changes a little earlier. I once reproached him for that and he laughed and said, “You see as things have turned out I was waiting for the situation to develop so that you could be Commissioner.” It was a little joke.

By the spring of '30 there was really great unemployment and poverty and need was showing its head everywhere. Harry Hopkins was appointed Relief Commissioner in 1931. He was selected, I suppose on Homer Folks's recommendation more than anybody else's. Homer Folks would be the one that you would naturally ask for that. I had been in rather continuous touch with Homer Folks about the unemployment situation because he knew it through the State Charities Aid. He knew it as it affected the demands on the various voluntary charitable organizations. I can't, at this moment, say whether Folks asked me whether Hopkins would be good, but I know that we talked about it. Whether he was seeking