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in-between arrangement so that this organization guaranteed that the apples would be all right and they would get their pay. After the apples were sold they paid up.

A lot of people in the Charities Building turned up their noses at the idea and said, “This is no answer.” Of course, it wasn't any answer, but Hopkins was quick to see that for a hundred people it might be the answer. It wasn't answering the whole problem of unemployment, but it was a kind of self-help which they took up. At least it seemed to them a way out and if they could make a go of it for a few weeks that was their gain. Many people have thought of that as something that was invented by the government. You couldn't do it unless there had been an overproduction of apples, because otherwise the apples would all have gone straight to the canning factory and we would have had more apple sauce, and not big trays and boxes of apples on the street for sale.

There were a good many other things of that same nature - very small, little projects - which Hopkins always encouraged because they were self-help. He was an imaginative fellow, quick and resourceful. If he couldn't think of one thing, he'd think of another. If you couldn't do the thing in the conventional way, all right think of some other way to do it. I think many of the ideas that he later worked