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After supper Governor Roosevelt went to one of the little parlors. Al went in with him and sat down and talked to him. You saw them engaged in deep conversation for quite a long time. Of course, I wouldn't know what was said on that occasion, except that I was told later by Governor Roosevelt and by Governor Smith. They told me what took place between them at that occasion. I remember seeing them in deep conversation. The Governor was sitting in the big chair, and Smith was pulling up his chair close to him and leaning forward. That picture remains in my mind as I passed the door. The doors were open. It was just one of the little parlors. Smith was telling him things and the Governor was nodding in answer. I remember Roosevelt's expression on his mouth, which I've already mentioned, where he pulled his lips down, making a sort of a long lip. When he pulled his lips down in that way, later I always knew that he was evading. I later came to know that. I remember seeing that expression on his face in there, having at that time no conclusions as to what it meant, but noting it and noting that it didn't seem quite natural. There was something artificial about his expression. That was all I noted.

It was several days later that Governor Roosevelt saw me. He had previously asked me to come into his administration