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and the 7(a) sections, and I was called before them to discuss the Walsh-Healey Public Contracts Act. So I had appeared before his committee a number of times. It was probably his committee that I appeared before when I went up to testify about the CCC. It was the House committee on the day when Mrs. Roosevelt and Ishbel MacDonald, Ramsay MacDonald's daughter, went up and made audience. She accompanied him here on a visit. Mrs. Roosevelt telephoned to say that Miss MacDonald wanted to come to this hearing; it had been widely advertised that I was going to testify. That was the summer of '33. It was the hottest summer on earth and the hottest day in that summer. I testified for a good hour and a half to two hours under klieg lights, flash lights and everything else. It was my first appearance before a large Congressional committee. Of course, the fact that Mrs. Roosevelt and Miss MacDonald came made it even more a target for the newspaper men and the photographers. It was very exhausting experience.

At any rate, I knew Connery and Connery knew me. During that first year we had to move very hastily and very quickly. I began to hear mutterings about how the President was pretty high-handed about Congress. The honeymoon, or the top excitement of it, with Congress lasted well into November, but I had heard these rumblings about the President being