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among the working people some people who would be able to stand up and speak up for them. As it was, the Department of Labor spoke up for them mostly on these codes.

However, I suggested then, and I still think it was a good idea, that we set up at the center a labor advisory committee - not on every code, but have a permanent group of people who would be called a labor advisory committee, acknowledged labor leaders who had some relatively strong unions back of them, whether their codes were involved or not. They were to be an advisory group to whoever was the director with regard to these codes.

Johnson said, “I'd rather have one man, just one person. During the First World War Baruch delegated me to sit on some committees like this. Sitting on my left hand I had Hugh Frayne representing labor.” We all knew Hugh Frayne - that old, dead from the neck up labor leader in the building trades. He said, “I'll appoint Hugh Frayne. We had to decide certain matters such as apportioning of orders, settling wage disputes and so on, and had problems before us. I would think about a problem. I would decide what would have to be done. I would say to the representative of the employers on my right, ‘Is that all right with you?'

“ ‘Yes.'

“I would say to Frayne, ‘Is that all right with you?'