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“He'd say, ‘All right, General.'

“He'd sign it and it would be done. That's all we need.” I said, “Well, didn't Frayne ever contribute anything?” “Oh well,” he said, “I don't think so. He was always very agreeable and easy to get on with, a good fellow to work with.”

I said, “That's a good idea. I know Frayne very well. He's now a very elderly gentleman though. My last report of him was that he was almost non compos mentis. I don't think you want him down here. He's over eighty. He's not active any more. He's out of everything in the New York State labor movement because of the fact that he goes to sleep in meetings. He's lost his grip on the activities of life. You can't have him, General.”

“Well, I'd rather have Hugh Frayne than anybody.

I know him. He'll be all right.”

We had some time persuading him that he didn't want Hugh Frayne. Then I began selling him the idea of a committee being much more useful. This after all wasn't going to have much to do with the building industry and that was Frayne's. Well, it was very hard to get him around a labor advisory committee, because he thought of them as somebody who would be troublesome.