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Well, this occurred after the election.

Oh, no. The Wallace-Jones B.E.W.-R.F.C.

Oh, the B.E.W. Oh, I don't know about that. I was hardly aware of that. I mean, it was a kind of a running constant fight, that was. I don't think the President took any great interest. The President was sore at Jesse Jones, you know. He was increasingly sore at Jesse, had been for some time, for one reason or another. Perhaps that was the basic reason. But I never heard that much discussed. It wasn't discussed in public, much.

What I knew about--and I interposed in the next thing, you see--was when after the election, the President pushed Jones out to make a place for Wallace as Secretary of Commerce. That's later, but not much later. January, 1945.

Do you think that Roosevelt was disconcerted or disillusioned in any way, about Wallace, over the Guru letters?

I remember I heard him say this, on one occasion. This was before I knew about the Guru letters that I heard this said in the Cabinet room. I think it was when we were talking informally either before or after the Cabinet meeting had begun, or an informal conversation was going on, and somebody said something about those letters of Wallace's--