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“It's terrible,” you know, and “What'll we do?”--something of that sort. The President laughed and he said, “Yes, the most unbelievable thing that ever happened--why, they weren't even letters to a woman!”

I heard him say that, and then laugh. I suppose, as I learned since what they were that were being talked about and what was done, I suppose that it was at that time that they were talking about how to suppress them and how to keep them out of circulation. And Roosevelt laughed. I mean, he thought it was funny. I don't think he was disconcerted in a serious way. He just thought it was past believing that such a thing would happen.

You saw no break between Wallace and Roosevelt, as far as you could discern?

No, not as far as I could discern. No break. And certainly Roosevelt stood by him. I mean, the President talked to me about that. Now I recall. He talked to me about a place for Wallace. That would be after the convention and after the election.

But you see, the crucial thing is why didn't Wallace get the Vice Presidential nomination again?

Oh well, I don't know. I mean, that might be just-- I never knew why he didn't. I think it was political--