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I went with Leon Troclet, who was the Minister of Labor in the Government that was then in power. Martens had been a former labor delegate to the I.L.O., and I had known him pretty well. During the Occupation, he had retired. He was quite old, and I had had news of him through M. Troclet and other Belgians. He had been a considerable friend of mine. He'd been to see me here. He came to the Textile Conference, and I took him to see the President, and I had made friends with him. I sent a doll to his little girl, and that kind of thing. But he had retired. I asked about him.

Also there was Camille Huysmans, who was a very distinguished Belgian. He's a very old man and I guess he's still Burgomaster of Antwerp. At any rate, he's a member of the Belgian Senate now. You can be both a mayor and a member of the Senate if you want to. He was the most interesting man I met in Europe that year. I went with Troclet. We drove from Paris to Brussels, and in Brussels I stayed with the Jef Pattersons. He was the first Secretary of the Embassy and they were old friends of mine. Jefferson Patterson was his name. His wife is an old friend of mine, and I stayed with them. I was in Brussels quite a while, several days--probably not a full week, but it seemed like a full week.

In Brussels I ran into the Josist movement. Do you know about the Josist movement? Well, that's very remarkable.