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But Schwellenbach made no reply except the most formal “yours received and contents noted” kind of a note, and never let me know what he was doing or anything. Then I began to hear rumors that Steelman was running him, and that he'd had Steelman out there for a conference, and that Steelman was showing him what to do. Then there began to appear in the Department of Labor two or three strange people who said that they were appointed by schwellenbach and that they were going to be Schwellenbach's assistants. But they came right in and sat down as though they were already assistants.

One of them was a man named Moran, and I can't think who the other one was. They wanted to know this and they wanted to know that, and the people came to me and said, “What shall we tell them? What shall we give them? Have they any right to see--”

I said, “No, they have no right to see anything. They have not been appointed by Schwellenbach. They have not been sworn in. They are not public officers. They say they're going to be appointed by Schwellenbach once he's in office, and perhaps they are and perhaps they are not, but I don't think we should hand them over documents and materials.”

Did Schwellenbach write you and tell you about them?

No, he never wrote me about them, you see, and I said,