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carry their old warfare with each other over into the Government here.” Then he ended up, “But what would we do without them? We can't get on without them, and they're a problem when you get ‘em here, but it's got to be done.”

That was what Ferdinand Eberstadt was brought down here for. He was brought down at that time, wasn't he? They had nearly got Don Nelson down. He had begun to break up, really. Perhaps the whole tension got too much for him. He had a representative on this War Manpower Commission, by the way. I can't think who it was now, but it was somebody who came from his office.

Anyhow, Arthur Flemming was the fellow who finally said that he would attempt to formulate a policy--“a policy.” Now, the labor union leaders hadn't made any fuss, because we didn't have any policy, and so long as you don't have a policy nobody makes any fuss about it, because it working all right, nobody's being unfairly treated. But you start and have a verbal policy, you see, and then you've got to take it around to a lot of people. Then they fight over the word and they fight over the phrase and they fight over the idea, and oh, it's a terrible job.

Arthur Flemming finally said that he would attempt to get the labor union leaders to agree to a policy, to cooperate with management on the production of war manpower for various industries. He had a job that took him nights and nights