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didn't really talk about CBS at all in that. Were any of the shows that CBS involved with any of the quiz show scandals?

We weren't sure. So in the course of a very short period of time we took anything we questioned and couldn't be sure about, we corrected the procedures or took them off the air. There were some game shows really, they weren't quiz shows, some game shows that were questionable--

Do you remember which ones in particular?

There were five hours in the daytime--and I've forgotten the name of the series. Could get it easily from the record at the time. But I wiped them all out on a Friday afternoon. We put in all new programming starting the following Monday, because I couldn't be sure, and the producer couldn't persuade me that he had safeguards that the way the games were played were on level. Of course there was the famous case on NBC where it was demonstrated beyond any question that it was phony. But when we weren't sure and we couldn't be satisfied, we took them off. We also said that the big prizes that had been given, there would be a limitation on the amount of money, so the temptation to do things would be reduced.

Who was the producer that you're talking about? You were talking about the producer of each of the game shows, when you said the producer couldn't satisfy you that--

Oh, I don't remember who the producer--