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She had--I don't know what you call these body forms that are on a pole. That was her body, which had been fabricated for her size, and every time I went into her workroom upstairs it seemed to me I saw a different half-made jacket or blouse or something. She was very skillful and ran a tight ship all the way around. She took care of all the accounts. Anything that happened in the house--food, service, bills, anything--that was her area. I took care of all the things that happen outside the house.

What about the creation of the house--the interior, the decoration.

She did it.

She did all of it?

Yes.

She was a big collector of antiques, you said, and Tiffany lamps.

Well, she got involved with Tiffany lamps very early, in the time we were in New York, which was 1935-36. Living in Jackson Heights, in that period, she was mostly involved in the Fashion Institute, Cooper Union--Not Cooper Union. What's the--

Fashion Institute of Technology?

Yes, but there's another one. Parsons. Yes. She had a friend who was on the faculty and they saw a lot of each other. When it was clear that the country was going to