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supportive of giving a chair in his name. I don't think she would have given a nickel of our joint funds to support hardly anybody else on that faculty. And at Ohio Wesleyan, she was very strong in saying, you know, “Don't give any money to them, or have my name associated with anything you give to Ohio Wesleyan,” because she was just so unhappy about my senior year there. I think she was, perhaps, overly strict in her interpretation of things, but that was her opinion and I've respected it. But she was a woman who had strong opinions and could buttress her arguments very effectively.

Was she involved at all--You mentioned your joint financial situation. How involved was she in terms of the building of your money, in terms of investment?

None. She said, “If you want to do it, you go ahead and do it.” Oh, I wouldn't do it without telling her about it, but there were very few things that she got involved--Except one time I said to her, “You know, I'm going to set up an account for you, because someday you're going to have to worry about money. So you take care of it and I don't want to know a thing about it. If you lose it, you lose it. If you make some money, it's yours.” I gave her a million dollars, and when she died she had over five million in her account.

Do you know how she made it, or it remains a secret?

No, she just watched her investments--

She watched it carefully. That's wonderful.

She didn't do any investments directly. She had an investment counselor that she