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Yes, Sig was president of CBS News.
And Sig had not been able to get Gitlin to get going. They were always just -- it was
tomorrow we were going to have it. So I said to Sig we had to take it away from Irv. And it
was I who said, “Let's turn to Fred to be the producer.” But, Sig, on the other hand, had to be
brought along too, because he had had a rough experience with Friendly in those days when
Friendly had his -- a third News Department, so to speak. In fact, I think, Sig used to call
Fred Friendly “Horace Hostile” as a gag.
But that particular night I outlined my idea for the series to Friendly. Mickelson sat quietly
and listened and Ed sat over to the right and listened. And we all participated in how it was
going to take off and come to fruition. And after Mickelson and Friendly left the office -- and
I think I convened the meeting at eight o'clock in the evening, anyway, it was at night -- but
after Mickelson and Friendly left, and Ed was getting ready to go away on his sabbatical, I
guess I asked him if he wanted to have a drink. I was dog tired. And we had a couple of
drinks. And then I took him up to his house up on the East Side -- it was quite late -- and we
talked about all the problems of news and the world and so forth on that night, because he
was going. And it was a short time after that that Ed exploded when he thought I had
impugned his integrity by my comments in an interview with Jack Gould from New Orleans.
That interview -- well, we'll return to that because that's a story.
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