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disheartening because there was a whiff of this in one of the other communities we looked at. They didn't want a lot of communists running around the community, and the idea of bringing fifty fellows from the field of the social sciences just didn't appeal to them.

So, at this time, people were identifying, I guess, people in universities, liberals in universities as communists? I mean, this is part of the McCarthy era. This was very extensive.

Oh, yes. The atmosphere at that time was polluted by the likes of Senator McCarthy and others. I think [William S.] Knowland, who was then either Majority Leader in the Senate, or was Minority Leader, he told me that if we persisted in wanting to locate this ultra liberal operation in California, he would go on the floor of the Senate and attack us.

My God!

Now, people in the country club that we were looking at in that very affluent community where we were hoping to locate, just shrivelled up and wanted no part of that. I suspect that some of that was behind the withdrawal of the opportunity that I referred to earlier. But we were not looked upon as proper people, I guess, by the people in California. At any rate, Northern California was not very hospitable.

Ed Huddleson, the lawyer from San Francisco, I believe was a trustee at Stanford. Bob Sears was a professor at Stanford. I knew the president of Stanford -- and now I can't think of his name, Wally [Wallace A. Sterling] was his first name -- but at any rate, we knew they had property. And we didn't want to locate on any university campus, but time was running out.