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What was the group like? Republican or Democrat?

It was the Mormon Church.

Right.

And I'm sure that officials of the Church would deny that anything like that ever took place. But it was sort of heady wine at the time.

And there had been another opportunity along the way -- I'm not sure that I can fix the date, but it must have been in the late fifties -- the University of California at Berkeley was looking for new leadership. There were two committees, one made up of a committee from the Board of Regents and one made up from the faculty of the university. This was the university system which had campuses in various place in California. The chairman of the senate committee, of the university senate committee, was Ernest Lawrence, who was the head of the radiation laboratories in Berkeley. Ernest came in to see me to say that he was authorized by both the faculty committee and the regents committee to offer me the job of chancellor. This was very tempting because I saw it as an opportunity to become known in the state of California through the university, and at some point, if I kept my nose clean and worked at it, I might be a candidate for the Senate and elected as senators are generally elected. There was no discussion with Lawrence about that kind of a plan. In fact, when I had my meeting with him, it was very straightforward in terms of the job to be done as chancellor. And it was only in my reviewing the opportunity that I came up with the idea that this might be a way to get an elected position. But a lot of these things come and go.