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There weren't too many TV sets yet, were there? How many television sets would you say were around at that time, in '48?

Oh, maybe ten million. I could be wrong, but it was beginning to take off, even though there were no connections, coaxial cable network connections, beyond Indianapolis. So, the network that existed at that time -- Oh, in '48, the network, I think, started in Washington, went from Washington to Philadelphia to New York, maybe to Boston, and that was it. But, it became clear in '48, to me, that this was going to be one enormous medium as far as politics was concerned.

I went to the conventions in '48, both of them, as I did with almost all conventions, up until I retired. But in '48, I remember particularly the Truman night in Philadelphia, when they were holding the session for -- They went into recess, I guess because -- I guess it was over something having to do with the vice president. But, I spent a lot of time with Truman that night, because he was behind, on the platform, waiting for whatever was holding up the affair. I knew him, but I spent time with him and talked with him, etc. I think we've already touched on how I came into his, or how he came into my life, or vice versa.

No, we haven't.

Well, in '45 -- When did Roosevelt die? In the spring of '45, didn't he? I believe it was.

Yes.