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that had been so beaten down over the years that they just tend to teach by rote. The whole Rockefeller approach was to give them an opportunity to learn more about their profession, about their particular subject matter, whether it be Shakespeare, or Socrates, or what have you by allowing them to take special courses at university, having special summer seminars, three week affairs of one kind or the other where they could talk with each other and talk with, with real experts. Anyway, to make a long story short. We got the backing of business, we got the backing of the universities and with Rockefeller Foundation putting out a bit of money as bait, we got a lot support from the local foundations, particularly Pew. So we got about-- we got a committment of three million dollars over three years, and started. Suprisingly enough it really worked very well. The superintendent-- Connie, I forget her last name-

We'll put it on the transcript.

Ah: -ah, is delighted with it. It gives her enough free money -- One of the troubles with school budgets is that they're all line budgets and you can't move anything. You can't move ten dollars from one line to another because that's how it's constructed. So It gave her free money. It gave the teachers a sense of self improvement and of dignity, and it changed their attitude toward the teaching of the humanities in the schools.

So from there we then went on. And over the last four years have added Atlanta, Saint Louis, Seatle, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, to the roster of cities. Now other people are just sort of picking up