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the idea on their own. Which is really how all of these things work. I mean you, you're obviously too small to do it yourself everywhere. So you you try to set up examples that are very visible, and then hope that others will pick them up, emulate them, do them in their own way. So that was one of the projects that we undertook that we're particularly proud of.

The name; I don't know if we put it on tape, the name is the President's Council on the Arts-

President's Committee on the Arts and Humanities.

Who are some of the other members who've been active?

Well, we have some private members who've been very active, like Arthur Schultz from Chicago, who's starting a big program on conservation and preservation of the old. The old in terms of books, art work, buildings, so on, so on.

Hold on.

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