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But Mrs. Reagan seemed very different to you?

Well she looked drawn. You just see it here, down the neck. And she is

Anything else on that?

No, but it's rather funny, I go from there right to see People for the American Way, of which I'm chairman of the executive committee, which is the First Ammendment, antifundamentalist group that was started by Norman Lear. And, I mean, of course, they're sort of on the other side of the fence from the White House. The President has somehow or the another confused the religious issue in this country by becoming the great buddy of the Fundamentalists.

How long have you been involved in People for the American Way?

Oh, I guess since it started. It started about four years ago and Norman asked me to come aboard. When it started, it was rather heavily weighted toward the liberal Democratic side, and I think one of the reasons for having me involved is again the same one.

Only from the other angle?

Yes. That's right. That's right[laughter]. I represent some degree of respectability and centrism. So, it's really quite