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amusing because I go from the one to the other in half an hour, and
I'm playing exactly the same role in both instances. We've had a
change of management there, and I was trying to--I was just going
over to see the person who's now become the chief operating guy
there. A twenty-nine year old who strangely enough is a Republican,
and is all of twenty-nine and is just smart as a whip, Art Kropp.
The man who ran it for the last seven years, and will continue
for another year or so, is Tony Podesta. It's now become a big
organization. It started with practically nothing. It now has a
budget of, about eight or ten million dollars, and sixty, seventy
employees. So it has to be run more professionally maybe than it was
You were on the board?
I'm on the board and I'm chairman of the executive
committee. There are a lot of ministers on the board; non
fundamentalist ministers, middle of the road ministers: Chuck
Bergstrom a Lutheran, John Buchanan a ex-minister, Baptist, who was
also a congressman from Alabama. He got thrown out by the
fundamentalists as a congressman. It's a very interesting mix of
people. Then, of course, Norman Lear is the great show man of them
all. So, when we put on extravaganza you can be sure that the
extravaganza will be well produced.
What are some of the highlights of your experience with it in the
last four years? What have been-?
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