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begining to really damage the U.S., that the moral fiber of the U.S., then economy of the U.S., the future, the believability, credibility of the U.S. But that's a slow, that's not an avalanche. That's a slow, slow sliding like a glacier practically. That takes places piece, bit by bit over a period of years.

So you don't recall kind of a dramatic moment when it finally came out in one of the publications in a discussion prior to that of, of the-

No. I don't remember. It wasn't like, like when we finally turned on Nixon. There, that was a clear cut thing, whereas this just evolved.

O.K.

Also, I suppose, and this is just supposition, but I suppose that the further away Luce was by death, an influence had simply been removed. Donovan and the others were not faced with arguing the case with Luce.

We side stepped into another issue, but I wonder if they're connected. Apparently some writer's by-lines--some by-lines were instituted for the first time in 1970. Was that at all a function of this problem that we talked about of, you know, conflicting reports and the correspondent's desire of saying, “Well, hell if you're gonna have two different views just run two stories side by side with the