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democratic, there would be a wave of revolutions and you'd be right back where you started. And I suspect the same kind of thing will go on for a long time.

We also served other purposes, namely the Latins were very poor on newspaper technology and we acted as a technology transfer organization for Latin Americans. Actually, one of our men planned and built one of the best newspaper plants there are-that exists in South America, in Rio de Janeiro. The meetings were always lively. We were always fighting somebody or the other; Peran, Pinochet, Tarrijos. And we finally won that one. And that country, the Dominican Republic has remained reasonably stable and democratic. I say reasonably. And of course, we were fighting Somosa. And they-

When you say fighting you mean-

Fighting the Somosa regime-

In other words, fighting for the press to express freely what it thought about these regimes?

Pedro Chammoro, the head of La Prensa was one of our most fiery democrats. And he was continuously attacking Somosa with the result that he was finally murdered by the Somosa forces. And that started the revolution in Nicaragua, which has ended up now with Violetta Chammoro,