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Pedro's widow who had been in the Sandinista government leaving the Sandinista government because the Sandinista government turns out to be a dictatorship too. Complicated.

Until what point did you remain active in this association?

It was about twenty years or so, until the early '70's, middle '70's.

Did you know Timmerman?

No. Timmerman came after that.

Was this association connected in any way with any U.S. Government association-organization?

No, on the contrary. We made a great point of having no connection with--and we even used to have great debates as to whether we should allow a government official to address us, give the appearance of it. But on the other hand in Latin America, if you go to a Latin American country as a group of that kind, you simply have to be received by the reigning monarch, or what have you.

Were the Cubans in this association?