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something else. This process can repeat itself twenty times in forty minutes. And at the end of forty minutes you still haven't asked your question. He just goes on and on and on and on and on.

Does he babble?

Not quite babble, it's always something that is reasonably consequential, not discussed in any deep manner because he never stays on any subject long enough to do it. He just hops, I guess is the word, from subject to subject without a semicolon, or a period in the process. And if you go to see him about something you just accept the fact that although all I want is five minutes of your time, I'm gonna get an hour of which he'll have fifty-five minutes.

Anything else on Rockefellers?

No. I know the children, but I don't know them well.

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O.K., hold on. You want to go on to somebody else who's on your list? You have Lindsay, for example.

Really, John Lindsay, I guess I got involved with him as the white hope for the mayor of New York. He's an awfully nice person. He should have been on stage. That's his real love. And I think he got on the wrong stage, namely City Hall which is a tough stage and a tough act to do.