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Um huh.

Well?

No.

Want to comment on him?

Well there's something about Italians. I'm always surprised to remember that he's an Italian. But you know, it's not--that's not what the Italians look like and act like usually. Even an Agnelli would not--he's an extraordinarily effective man and he did do a good job at Ford. Why Ford couldn't stand him is something that nobody can quite explain. The explanation given is that Lee was trying to get too much power. But after getting rid of Lee he did step down and make Phil Caldwell the chairman and Caldwell was a successful chairman for seven years. He's the one who pulled Ford into first place now.

You have on your list here Karamanlis?

Karamanlis. Yes, it's really not worth mentioning though. I've known him on and off in various guises. But I've visited some in Greece and I think I saw him at Harvard when he got an honorary degree. And then I forget what I had to do with him. He's a very fine gentleman. Looks it. Acts it. And I think has been a good patriot. As so often happens to those people. They get thrown out