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Well, sure they're exceptions. Occidental Petroleum is clearly run by one man all by himself.

No. I exceptions, I didn't state that clearly-of no evanescent CEO's. In other words, CEO's you think have really made marks on American life one way or another that are very memorable. I mean, you just spent five days with Tom Watson for example.

Yeah, well, old Tom Watson and young Tom Watson will be remembered I would think. The old one was a unique character and had unique management talents, or characteristics. The young one because he will be forever associated with the word computer even though IBM had very little to do with inventing the computer. The computer existed before IBM, and what Tom did with scramble like mad to catch up, and he scrambled so furiously and with such energy that he caught up and went ahead of the whole field, and created this enormous corporation which is making it's mark on the entire world. IBM is everywhere. IBM has plants everywhere. IBM is the only company that has a hundred percent owned subsidiary in Japan. Yes, he will be remembered.

Then they're some of odd guys who might be remembered. Like the guy from Occidental Petroleum

Armand Hammer?

Armand Hammer. Because at the age of 86 he still CEO and had he has fired every number two man that he ever hired. But he