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it's promises. The Beaumont Theatre has not.” He had first made that point to John and the board. Then-

At what point in time, do you recall?

Oh, that was about six months after John took over.

How much after you joined?

Oh, maybe two months.

So you know, at the end of-

I was brand new.

So at the end of 1984.

All I knew was that, oh my God! Lincoln Center Theatre is back in trouble! Why isn't the parent being helpful instead of critical? Next thing that happens is-

So he calls you and he says what?

I get a call from Marty Segal and he says, “I have to talk to you and to Anna Crouse because you two are the only people that I can trust on your new board.” And I sort of gulped at that.