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In other words, the implication being he can't trust Lindsay?

Ah-huh. And I said, “Well, what's it about?” “Well, it's about Lindsay.” And I say, “And you want to talk to me about this?” He said, “I got to talk to you and Anna.” So I said, “Look, He's my chairman. I'm perfectly happy to talk to you, but I have to tell you that I'm going to tell him I'm going to talk to you.” Well, that sort of set him back a bit. But he said, “Oh, O.K..” And then I called Anna, and she said, “Well thank God you said that.” And we went over to see Marty and what Marty really wanted to do was to get rid of John Lindsay.

Why?

Be God damned if I know! I haven't the faintest.

What did he say?

I could rationalize after two years. Well, it was a veiled, you know, he didn't say, “Lindsey's a stupid son of a bitch.” But he said, “This thing isn't working. You're not meeting your commitments. You don't have leadership.” So on, so on. And I just said, “Well, I don't know whether we got leadership or not, but the only thing I can tell you is that if you want a real disaster on your hands, try and change the leadership at this point. At this early point in the game.” You know, we're just hiring an artistic director and and executive producer. Well, he made one more pass of that kind