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She never consulted with the editors really, and she resented that all her life. But, I think in their conversations she had a considerable influence on Harry, and you could occasionally tell when Harry spoke to you about something or the other that he was really repeating something that Clare had said. That happened quite often. So, I think that was a big influence on him.

Did he have a close--a personal relationship with Foster Dulles that you were aware of?

Yes, he did. But I'm trying to think whether there were any other people. You know, he was not--

How about any religious figures?

I think the pastor of his church. I forget what his name is. Church on 73rd [St.] and Madison [Avenue]. I can't remember. I think he had an influence. Of course, the curious thing is that his real partner in the whole enterprise was Roy Larsen, who, after all, was president of the company for many years. It is curious that I didn't mention him as being an influence on Luce. I guess because he wasn't really an influence on him. He was the man who operated the machine, made timing go, did a lot of the dirty chores. Harry was typical of a lot of bosses. Namely, when it came to firing somebody he never could nerve himself to do it. So, he would sidle up to Roy and say, “Well, I really think so and so should go”. I guess Roy got the signal that it was up to him to carry out the execution. They