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I know this sounds sort of silly, because you'd think at age 24, you wouldn't be--and having done as well as I had--be worrying about your future that much. But I, as I recollect it, I looked at the company and said to myself: “Well, maybe I can become a managing editor some day and maybe I can become a publisher someday.” And the publisher then was Roy Larson, and the Managing Editor was John Billings, and I decided I would probably have a better chance of making it as a publisher than as managing editor. That's how crass I was. [laughs]. And the then General Manager, C.D. Jackson, was looking for an assistant. And he was interviewing me and one other person, John Field, who was National Affairs Editor then. He was roughly my age. And I don't know whether John Field didn't want the job or whether I got the job, but anyway--

Finish your sentence.

--I got the job.

Why won't you describe what the role of Larson and Jackson--what their roles were.

Well, I went to work for C.D. Jackson, who was General Manager, and he in turn reported to Larson, who was the Publisher. Larson also had sort of company-wide responsibilities. Essentially the management side of a magazine then took care of advertising sales, circulation, promotion, manufacturing, and obviously finance. C.D. Jackson was an elegant man nearly my height; had been brought