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Was it a big deal at the publications when Teddy White quit?

Yes.

Tell me about it, what you remember.

Well, it was a big deal because we all loved Teddy White and he had done a very good job. Losing a Teddy White was bad news to us, and also the rest of us didn't have the same enthusiasm about China that Harry had. So I guess we would tend to feel emotionally with Teddy rather than with Harry on the issue.

In other words, Henry Luce's strong ideology on China was generally not shared by editorial people at either Time or Life or Fortune?

That's correct. I don't know about Whit Chambers, he probably would've, but--

Did you know Whittaker Chambers?

I think I met him, that's all.

That's all. Do you have anything to add, as long as we're talking about him, on that entire episode, Chambers, Hiss, Luce's relationship' to Chambers?