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--deposing. And for reasons I don't know we kept postponing it. And he and I would just sit around--he was a good drinker, and I was a good drinker--and I think we spent two days drinking practically solidly. And then finally--and he never rehearsed me at all--I went on, and the opposition lawyer deposed, me, and he asked me hundreds of questions, and I answered them all absolutely honestly, without ever a moment's hesitation. I was sure of my facts, and so on and so on. And at the end of about two hours there was a pause--maybe twenty minutes--and then he started off. He said, “Now, Mr. Heiskell, on page 22 you said...” I said, “Yes, that's right, I did.” And he said, “Now, on page 42, you said...” I said: “What?” Complete contradiction. [laughs] My whole testimony was--well, the only reason I bring it up is that he is--obviously anybody can give you the name--he is the lawyer who finally--
Brought McCarthy--
--brought McCarthy down with that famous statement.
What was your attitude toward McCarthy?
Unprintable.
At the time.
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