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The Guild.

Oh, the Guild. Okay. But any major editorial people?

Not that we knew of.

But in other words, you--when you say, “he'd had experience with communism” -- in other words, he believed that Hiss was passing secrets.

Yes. And, remember, he was very pro Chiang Kaishek, anti-Chinese communists, and he was still fighting that battle. When was McCarthy? 1952?

1950, 1951.

1950, 1951. And China had fairly well gone down the drain by then. I think Chiang Kaishek was what? In Formosa by then? Yes. So he had the sort of bitter feelings about communists.

on the other hand, we did take on McCarthy on various occasions. Certainly he thought we took him up on various occasions, because he became quiet appolectic about Time and LIFE, and tried to apply every form of pressure, particularly advertising pressure. This may bring us back to church and state, really. There was advertising pressure exercised on us.

How did you feel it as publisher? Would an advertiser call you