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Communist Party influence, you mean. Did Luce or anybody else ever make an effort--when these attacks started coming saying, “you're harboring communists”--to verify if there're any CP people at Time or LIFE or Fortune?

I don't remember.

You don't remember.

I rather doubt it. You know, if there had been, they would have been so far down in the levels that it wouldn't have--clearly, there was no CP person in the editorial ranks of any consequence.

Were there--but there were liberals.

Oh, yes.

And this was tolerable to Luce?

Oh, sure.

I'm talking about in the middle of the Cold War, you know, the 1950s.

Well, you know, at various times, he had been very