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did. There was nothing big, rash, or what have you about him. He was a very serious, not very large man--he wasn't busting out all over by any means. He was well buttoned up and very careful, and very cautious. And he, early in the game, I think because of Elizabeth, became the lawyer for Time Incorporated, and tried to teach Harry how to conduct corporate affairs, corporate matters. After a while, Harry decided that it would be good to have such a person as chairman of the corporation, the corporation by then having a certain number of directors. This is way back in the 1920s. Artemus Gates, “Di” Gates, who became Assistant Secretary of the Navy during World War II and had been a flier in World War I, a Yale man--in those days most of the people were Yale men--Bill Griffin, who was a financial genius--

I'll tell you what. Instead of focusing on the early board--I want to talk about the board separately--just focus on Moore for a moment.

Moore.

And Luce, and the people who were influential in his life. So focus on the relationship with Moore, or whoever else you think fits that build.

But you see, these were--other than Hadden, these, in terms of Time Incorporated, were the people who had a considerable influence on Luce. They were not outside directors the way today you