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Oh, yes. Sure--well, of course. During his last seven years, I was the chairman--the last seven years of his life. And the previous fifteen, I was a publisher of the biggest chunk of Time Incorporated.

Okay. We're talking about people who influenced him now, and his relationships with people. Why don't you describe Clare's influence on him--and on the company, if she had any.

Well, it was an interesting relationship, because, on the one hand, she was a very bright, very intellectual woman, and was a very good journalist, and had good ideas, and had married Luce, I am sure, with a thought that she would play an important role in Time Incorporated. In fact, it was nearly--he nearly promised her that. That, as the books have explained, did not happen, and she held that against him for the rest of his life, and she held it against Donovan and me after Harry was dead.

How did you know that?

Because she went around telling people what a lousy job we were doing.

She bad-mouthed the company, and she bad-mouthed the management.

She bad-mouthed the management. If you're Luce's widow, and you bad-mouth the new management, that carries considerable