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But he didn't talk about Nixon a lot, clearly.

You mean before Watergate?

He wasn't alive.

Oh, of course not. That's right, that's right, he didn't. He only knew him as Vice President, and as--

Congressman--

He knew him--well, he knew about him in relation to Chambers. Now, I don't--

Did Luce talk about Chambers?

No, well--I'm sure he did, but I was not involved. Chambers was on Time--it was in the, what? Years before the war, and then it was right after the war.

Right. What about Taft?

He was quite friendly with Taft, but as you know-he worked hard to get Ike in instead of Taft.