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opinion and more fact under Donovan.

If I'm not mistaken, Luce stated--again, on the same subject--many times that he felt that the role of Time, the weekly news magazine, for example, was, you know, not so much to be a--what is it called, a record?

A magazine of record.

A magazine of record, and theoretically objective--Luce was always saying, “What's objectivity? There's no such thing.” What was the view of people about that? Those kinds of statement.

Harry's argument was that there is no such thing as objectivity, and, of course, in a sense he was right, because there isn't. It is impossible to be objective. For you to be objective, you'd have to be a zero. The minute you are something, the something effects your objectivity. If you're an ant, you look at the world one way, and if you're an elephant, you look at it a different way. And there's no getting around it. I suspect that Harry would use that argument to justify some extreme cases of lack of objectivity, whereas Donovan might say, “Okay. You're right, and if you're an ant you look at the world differently than an elephant would, but let's just take an animal that's in the middle, and act accordingly.” [laughs]

But was the general attitude--hold on one second.