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The attitude during the time that Luce was very influential on editorial questions--was the attitude, “Oh, damn, that's Harry's--here goes Harry again,” or was it a more serious feeling of, “this can't continue,” or, “it's wrong”--on the part of the editorial staff?

I think it was more, “Oh, here comes Harry again.” Because, you see, historically--well, one tended to bunch together all of Harry's prejudices that were, in fact, spread out over forty years. If you were living there on a day-by-day basis, you might not even hear from Harry for six weeks or eight weeks, and then Harry would weigh in with, “Well, what's important is to really show the geography of the island of Luzon.” And you would say, “My God, here comes Harry again. What's interesting about Luzon?” And then he'd go--

He'd tell you.

--that would mean he'd just been there. [laughs] You know, he'd been absolutely fascinated by something, and suddenly Luzon had grown from a dot in the pacific to a continent.

I think that is important. When did he--what are the different stages of his editorial influence? In other words, starting in the 1940s, how much was he there, and, you know, directing things, and in the 1950s, and in the 1960s? Keeping in mind, of course, he was in