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Well, let's save the management question to our discussion.

Another day?

Yes.

It was a real shock because most of the people at the top had known him for thirty years, twenty-five, thirty, forty, had been browbeaten by him, occasionally congratulated, and made a lot of money thanks to him. There was a strong emotional--the word letdown isn't quite right but--depression.

Did the place feel different without him? A lot?

No, really it didn't.

But without him alive?

No. He really hadn't been there.

For a number of years?

He'd come by from time to time, but, you know, it all operated.

Did you ever think of him later, when you were making a decision?