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had to--Jim did have the heart attack, the second heart attack--

Linen?

Linen, which did put him in a wheelchair, from which he has never recoveréd.

But that was after he was no longer president.

Yes.

Now--interesting that there was no board pressure when Luce died in 1967 to get a C.E.O.? I mean, it seems like there were two more years after Luce died where this triumvirate operated.

Yes, there was some pressure. I can't remember just how much. It wasn't sufficient to move me. What moved me was the Linen situation. And I wasn't trying to be C.E.O., I was trying to resolve a problem.

What was Donovan's view of your becoming C.E.O.? Here, for the first time, he would not be your equal, or would he?

Yes. Well, he maintained his independence as editor-in- chief reporting to the board. That got sort of written into the whole thing.