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what they said, not publicly. But that's what they talked about--

What does that mean? Go ahead.

--that the company was run too much by the seat of the pants--

Oh, MBAs.

MBA. Harvard MBAs--

Go ahead.

--that it should have more organization, better planning, better use of assets, more financial control and less sort of flightiness. I think they considered Luce to be a genius and me to be a seat of the pants flier.

Did you gather that they thought this after you had left and from--

I assume they must have thought of it before then.

[laughter]

No, but I mean did you--

They didn't tell me, though.